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[personal profile] nakedbee
Just chiming in with some links:

Ten Steps to a Perfect Fanstorm: a concise overview in case you're just tuning in

There are many people contributing awesome, intelligent commentary on the issue. I've especially enjoyed:

[livejournal.com profile] slashpine
I have admired her comments in many of the discussion threads and the post "Ogi apologizes by insulting fandom some MOAR" (a detailed analysis of Ogas' nopology) was utterly fascinating.

[livejournal.com profile] neededalj
I love it when people can talk about complex, specialized knowledge in an accessible way. I found "Why Ogi Ogas and Sai Gaddam Are Phrenologists" and the follow-up essays a joy to read.

Want to read more? I'm following along with the discussion via the linkspam daily roundups

In all the previous WhateverFail discussions fandom has had over the past year I always mean to say something and never quite get around to it. I figured a late signal boost was at least better than continued silence.

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Date: 2009-09-07 09:14 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] kass
I've spent an arguably unreasonable amount of time lately compiling the SurveyFail entry at Fanlore, and have enjoyed tremendously all of the links you're pointing to here...

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Date: 2009-09-08 03:58 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] patrissimo.livejournal.com
neededalj's statement "The shape of the skull has no relation to the properties of the brain underneath it. None. There was no scientific validity to phrenology then, and there is no scientific validity to phrenology today." is patently false. The correlation between grey matter volume as measured by MRIs and IQ is in the 0.35 - 0.43 range according to wikipedia. Even measuring skull size externally gets you like an 0.2 correlation. And neededalj specifically clarified in the comments that ze was including both "skull-bump" phrenology and "skull-measuring" phrenology and that both had been totally discredited.

Ogi & Sai may well be practicing science at the "skull-bump version of phrenology" level, but while neededalj may write accessibly, I recommend against trusting them as an information source when they are so confident about something they are so completely in error about.

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Date: 2009-09-09 01:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nakedbee.livejournal.com
I'm totally not up for debating with you on LJ. I'll send an email instead. :)

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Date: 2009-09-08 10:13 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] amanuensis1.livejournal.com
Heee, thanks for these links! Nothing like a good fanwank seen from the outside to keep life entertaining.

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Date: 2009-09-09 01:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nakedbee.livejournal.com
So true. I think a large reason I got so entranced by this particular debate was that Mr. Bee took the Kindle with him on his train adventure this week, leaving me to find entertainment elsewhere. :)